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Re: [WMASTERS] The Grantha alphabet and South-Indian culture
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@Reply to Selvaa. No, Selvaa, I don't think Tamil needs grantha. But, no
@matter what you say, I cannot but feel that the present climate towards
@learning in the Tamil areas is extremely negative, not only for Tamil, but
@for knowledge in general. In this forum, I have seen people inveigh
@against grantha as if it were the very instrument of the Devil -- a
@diabolical plot, all sorts of nonsense. Many want to identify with a
Surely there is much doubt in the minds of quite a few. Majority of
Tamils don't feel this way.
@"pure" Tamil that is "untainted" by anything Northern. They don't seem to
There is no such thing. The reason why some people have such
aversion is because everything in Tamil had been claimed to be
derived from Sanskrit. Tamil had been denigrated in so many
ways and by so many people while claiming that Sanskrit is
a Devabasha. You yourself had mentioned several times about
such silly claims.
@realize that Sanskrit and Tamil have been intertwined for millenia, and
Very true and it is something to feel proud about and
one can learn much from this.
@that you just cannot separate the two, no matter how much you try. The
No, I don't think anyone is trying to 'separate the two'.
I don't think many Tamils try to do this. Afterall a significant
part of Sanskrit tradition is very much part of tamil tradition and
the southern sanskrit was nurtured by Tamils.
@Ramayana and Mahabharata, for example, are both mentioned in Sangam
I don't think reasonable people will deny these.
For all I know it might as well
be a pan-indian story but people pay attention to only
the Sanskrit version or it is a story originally composed only in
sanskrit. Recently there was a fire in Tamil Nadu, people reported
in various languages and would we have to accept that everyone
copied from the Hindu paper written in English ?
Can't there be some tamil versions, telugu versions ?
Lots of things in Vedas, Upanishads and
other Sanskrit literature are revered by tamils knowledgeable
in those. Tamils' contributions to Sanskrit is not trivial I think.
Tamils are not against sanskrit, but only against the
sanskrit-centric views and belittling the tamil and dravidian
@literature. On the other hand, I have tried to show that Kalidasa's
@conventions are largely of southern provenance.
Thats great and very fascinating indeed.
@What I find sad is that so Tamils few seem to realize that grantha is part
@of their heritage. It is not some diabolical, evil imperialistic plot; it
@is simply a writing system that has been used for thousands of years in
@Tamil Nadu (and nowhere else) by Brahmins and non-Brahmins alike. I
@frankly don't care whether a few grantha letters are used in the Tamil
@alphabet or not. But I find it sad that people want to excise and destroy
@(by neglect and misplaced hostility) a vital and beautiful part of their
@heritage. George Hart
It is also my wish that a significant fraction of tamils should learn
Sanskrit well and be experts in it ( also at least some of them
to be similarly experts in greek, latin, sumerian and some of the modern
languages like German, English, French, Japanese..).
I think these things will happen, but for that we need to attain
a higher level of economic affluence and socio-political liberation.
Hating Sanskrit is like hating oneself. It has undoubtedly one of
the finest literatures and there is much in it that an aspiring soul
can benefit from. The sad fact is Tamils don't know about Tamil
and its wealth and this should change first.
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