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Re: [WMASTERS] Response to Kumar
I would be more than happier if Murasu-Anjal and Inaimathi
are accepted as standards. I supported it because Muthu
has done wonderful job. Further, it is a tamilan job.
Mr. Hart, You won't talking here about tamil, neither I,
if tamils had not fought their war saving tamil against
crusading attack of Sanskrit. I am not sure whether
it is 10,000 years old war or even older.
Starting from Robert GoldWell, and G.U. Pope,
and upto Maraimali Adikal, Parithimal Kalainjar, there are
many many Europeans and Ariyans loved tamil and fought for
its survival. The period many tamil net members are living
is the golden period of tamil. After the ancient golden periods
of three Sangam, this is the first ever golden period, after adark
period of many thousand years.
Tamils finally got awakened and they have got partial political
Many tamil net members who are tamils by birth may not even know
what happened to tamil in various period of time in the history
and how many attempts were made by Ariyan invasion in the open
and tamilnadu brahmins in the disguise and north indian politicians
in the name of United India. I was just reading the speach of
Indian defense minister Hon'ble Mulayamsing Yadhav. At madras
he said that English has to be thrown away from India and
all the regional languages have to rule the country. He said
many in India love tamil, and during his chief-ministership
he introduced tamil teaching in UP schools. He said that when
tamilnadu M.P.s spoke in parliamment in English, he told them
to talk in Tamil. What he said ha did, he really did. They are
all true. He also said that he will never try to impose hindi
on any other regional people. I have first ever seen a man
from UP talking like this. This is the first ever period
that regional parties in India formed a govt ad the centre.
I would rather request the leaders of this coallision govt
to remove hindi from official language status in the constitution
itself, and rewrite it to give equal status to all the Indian
languages, irrespective of how small a group speaks that language.
Unfortunately, still it is congress, still it is the same Nehru
family that rules India. The moment any of the regional parties
raise this issue, congress will withdraw its support and the
govt will fall. Mr. KarunAnithi, hon'ble chief minister of tamilnadu
knows this. No body can bring in a true democracy untill the
backbone of congress and BJP are broken and the regional parties
realize what they should really do. These regional states are the
majority in India. Unfortunately, they have been so maneoured
by Congress (in the name of united India or non communal and
secular party) and BJP (in the name of united hindu concept).
During british rule there was a time that brahmins joined together
and gave a memorandum to the sate to remove tamil from schools
and colleges and leave only Sanskrit and English be taught.
Suriya Narayana Sasthri, although he is a brahmin, and also
a very good sanskrit scholar, got so angry. Hhe was
so emotionally attched to tamil. He was serving as tamil
professor of Christian College, Madras. He was the first
person to start Pure Tamil Society (Thanith Thamiz Iyakkam).
He argued that it is because tamilans are letting the sanskrit
lovers to sankritise tamil, sanskrit lovers went to the extent
of requesting the govt to remove tamil from school, that too
in the land of tamil. He called the people to join with him
to boygot Sanskrit in every possible way. He insisted that tamils
to save tamil, should speak in tami and write in tamil, not in
sanskrit. Had it been another person no less than a sanskrit
scholar and brahmin like Suriya Narayan Sasthri, many would have
destroyed him and his movements. Tamils were so innocent
people and they did not even know what is happening to their
language. Tamil, like "Peyak kaNdum nanjuNdu sAthal"
have been so tamed not to fight with enemies in improper ways.
They tried to preserve their pride of being honest and brave even
when they meet their enemies in the war field. PuRaththiNai
as said in TholkAppiyam will stand as evidence for what I said
above. That is how they fell so easily to the invasion of many races
and religions. I have said to my people in speaches that
"thamizan maRaththAl aziyavillai; aRaththAl aziwthAn.
aRaththinmIthu koNda aLavaTRa NampikkaiyAl aziNthAn".
That is why they needed sanskrit scholars to awaken them and
tell them about the richness of tamil and also the danger it is
facing in the hands of Sanskrit lovers.
It does not make sense that there is a community, that claims
itself as tamil community, but is preserving sanskrit by using
it in their every day life, - although no other community speaks,-
and fights for the survival of sanskrit. It does not make sense why
this sect of tamil community names themselves with sanskrit
names and use slokans of sanskrit as mandras and call sanskrit as the
language of God. As I learned those mandras, the translation
does not say anything but the usual falttering of gods and requesting
gods to help us. This can be done in any language. If at all there is
a god, it should be language independent.
I do not want to write more on this. But this community tried
its best to sanskrtise tamil as their attempt of destroying tamil
failed. These attempts are atleast went in full force during the last
1000 years. It reached its peak during the british period. They did
this so elegantly by learning English so quick and adjusting with
the british. Most of the govt jobs were in their hands during this
period, and they tried to use their influence in british govt to
block tamil from being taught in schools. British would have
become a pray to the cunning tactices of this community had they
not realized that they have to spread their religion and they
have to rule this part of the land and for that they have to stick
to the language that is spoken by the majority That is when they
set of printing press to print tamil scripts and printed bible
and other materials in tamil and they employed tamil teachers
in schools to teach tamil. That is how even Bharathy got a tamil
teacher job at Ettaiyapuram School. Even in those days most of the
teachers are from this sect. Until then mostly it is this community
that will learn to read and write and they will do it from their
own gurus. It is mostly a caste affair. That is, moslty they will not
take a person from another sect as a student. One may think that it
is two hundred years back affair. No, it is not. On can ask the
experience of the present Vice chancellor of Madras University.
He was the first non-brahmin to get a Ph.D. in biophysics. It does not
mean no one opted this subject. In india untill recently, candiadtes
for Ph.D. were chosen according to willingness of the supervisor and
not based on any merit.
In those dark period of tamil, few of other sects managed to become
scholars first by learning sanskrit and then tamil. There was a period
in tamilnadu that if you do not know sanskrit, you are considered
These continuous onslaught on tamil gave rise to a situation
that there is no tamil without sanskrit. As I said it went to
the peak during british period. Many of you, I am sure,
would not have even heard of all the works of 18/19 centuries.
Most of the titles of those works are pure sanskrit. You
would not even understand the meaning of those words now.
That is how Bharathy wrote his tingleskrit poems. There is
nothing so unsual or special in his writings that you would
not have seen in our rich ancient tamil literature. Not only Bharathy,
but all the latter poets couldn't do much of original works as so mcuh
has been written in tholakApiyam, thirukuRaL, NatriNai,
kUrunthokai. I believe most of you know that we are not
able to retrieve 90% of our works. Even in less than 10%
that we are able retrieve, if so much is there, just imagine,
how much would be there in those that we lost for ever!
Because Sanskrit has been picturized as the language of God,
and only brahmins can talk to god, because they know this God's
language, eveen tamils started naming their children in Sanskrit.
I am sorry, I am telling you a lie. Many tamilans did not even
name their child. Whenever a newborn came to the earth,
tamilan went to an Ayyar and requested him to name his
child that would best suite to the brith chart of the child.
Guess, what would be the name an Ayyar would choose.
Naturally, a sanskrit. That is how many of us got sanskrit
based names. In the name of god, mandras, bestowing god's
grace upon human beings these people so effectively handled
their supremacy and Sanksrit's supremacy.
Somehow or other tamil had survived all these attempts.
Now, in the 21st century, it is going to enter into
a new world "computer world". Now, tamils can no longer
claim that the brahmin community is affecting them.
By reservation policy, one of the weknesses of democracy, now
the brahmin community is affected more than non-brahmin communities.
I do not want to go into the aspect of whether it is justifiable or
Hellow, 8 crores of tamilans, living all wround the world!
I am calling you,
no more blaming of brahmins. They are suppressed and they need
help. I am sorry to write these here. I was restraining from
entering into writing caste issues, although many showed their
real face here.
The very names of these individuals and the concepts they
write in support of will very well be seen in every script
and words they used in this net. They support imposition Hindi.
They support singalese war against innocent tamil. Or they
keep silent on it.
Still I restrained myself.
Now they are so united in sanskritising tamil. So far not even single
brahmin, including Dr. Kannan, (yes, I do have a special regard for
him, because some of his views are excellent and also he tries to
his best of ability to write in pure tamil) wrote against
sankritising tamil. Just because Bharathy or some body else made
mistakes by writing tingleskrit songs, why do we sanskritise tamil?
Suppose I write "tamil is the best language in the world, and I love
it more than my life" in Mandarine, would you recommend to include
mandarine scripts along with tamil scripts. There are many
japanese who have written very high about tamil I witnessed japanese
presentation at the world tamil conference held at madurai during
MGR's period. One japanes claimed that japenese originated from
tamil. You know about Chatterjee and his excellent works on
"Tamil origin and development" in bengali? Do you want to
present them in the web and hence do you want to iclude bengali
If there are grantha scripts (of course there are a lot)
use them if you are forced to write those words. Using any other
script is indiviual's choice and depend on the needs also.
I am writing all these in English. I have writen tamil poems
here using englisg scripts. Likewise we can use tamil scripts
and Aytha ezuththu to produce non-tamil sounds. In the worst
case use grantha scripts. But why do you want to include them
in the tamil slots or why you bother to discuss in the first place.
Our tamil word "ittaLi" if to be written properly, english
would have inlcluded our "Li" in their script. No they did not.
They are writing "iddli" which is absurd and meaningless.
After some years now tamilan also writes ittili.
What happned to the pure tamil word "ottaikkal maNthu"
in the hands of the english people. It became Ottacamod and the
it has been furthe Englized as "Ootty".
I have a muscle strain. With so much back pain I am writing
all this using one hand. I had to to save my tamil.
Had it been one of those days that I was an university professor
in tamilnadu, by this time you would have witnessed a big war in
tamilnadu. All the students would have been in the street
to save tamil. I am sure it will not take many days to tamil
youths to realize what is happening to tamil.
Mr. Hart says I am emotional. Yes, I am. It is my language,
life and blood and breath of my generations. If you,
professor Hart, like to discuss about including tamil scripts into
English slots and help transliterate all the rich tamil literature
into English, I will offer all my comments quite cool and calm.
I suggested about this work. You are not telling me when you are
going to initiate that work. Do not ignore this mail, please.
Give a date and I will help you to raise some funds for that
But, when it comes to the death of tamil, no more I can hold the
truth, and am forced to write all these. I will write more if
others enter into the caste war. Now, my request to tamil youths
is, "Are you going to let tamil die in the hands of sanskrit?
Can you not write in tamil by tamilizing english and other
lnguage words? Can you not use grantha or any othe language scripts
only when needed? Can you not understand that this is "Tamil
Font Encoding and Not Grantha Font Encoding"? Can you not
understand by letting tamils use other language words and scripts
tamil slowly become exitinct? Can you not understand that
grantha scripts are being thrusted into tamil just to keep
a sect of people's love for sanskrit? can you not foresee
that you are still going to see news magazines, TV radio
shows and computer stuff in sanskritized tamil? Can you
not see that now you have the freedom of choice and also
the brain and political power to save your tamil?
Are you going to save tamil or not?
With love to those millions of tamil youths
in and around the world,
P.S. In the last one week writings you can see many spelling
mistakes and grammatical mistakes. I do not have time
to edit. Mostly I do not edit. You know what I am writing.
Is it not?
> At 10:14 PM 9/10/97 -0800, George Hart wrote:
> >I agree with most of what Kumar has said. I would, however, like to keep
> >kS and sri, as they tend to be useful.
> >Obviously, there is no ideal solution. Everyone has a slightly different
> >view. I see the consensus as follows:
> >1. Use an 8-bit set, like INaimathi.
> >2. Keep the grantha characters.
> >3. Do not keep the old-style ligatures (lai, etc.)
> >4. Keep the final consonants (with the puLLi).
> >Note that this is just about exactly what Muthu's font already has. Why
> >not just settle on it as a standard? Anything we decide will go by the
> >boards, anyway, when unicode becomes universally implemented.
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